This trumpet was sold by the asian fraternity as a Bach Stradivarius complete with Elkhart insignia. The person I got it from was either ashamed to have bought it under false pretences or incensed by the fake that he rubbed off any ref to Bach . These instruments can be seen in proliferation on eBay with a recommended retail price between £300 and £400 and while they are certainly not Bach Strads they are not a bad buy at my asking price .